Name: proposal-seeded-random
Owner: Ecma TC39
Description: Proposal for an options argument to be added to JS's Math.random() function, and some options to start it with.
Created: 2017-12-23 16:08:48.0
Updated: 2018-03-23 04:26:38.0
Pushed: 2018-01-25 19:17:57.0
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Champion: Tab Atkins-Bittner
JS's PRNG methods (Math.random()
, crypto.getRandomValues()
, etc) are all “automatically seeded” - each invocation produces a fresh unpredictable random number, not reproducible across runs or realms. However, there are several use-cases that want a reproducible set of random values, and so want to be able to seed the random generator themselves.
New APIs like the CSS Custom Paint, which can't store state but can be invoked arbitrarily often, want to be able to produce the same set of pseudo-random numbers each time they're invoked.
Demo: https://lab.iamvdo.me/houdini/rough-boxes/ (currently needs Chrome with the Experimental Web Platform Features flag). This demo uses Math.random() to unpredictably shift the “rough borders”, but the Houdini Custom Paint API re-invokes the callback any time the element needs to be “repainted” - whenever it changes size, or is off-screen for a bit, or just generally whenever (UAs are given substantial leeway in this regard). There's no way for the callback to store state for itself (by design), so it can't just pre-generate a list of random numbers and re-use them; instead, it currently just produces a totally fresh set of borders. (You can see this in effect if you zoom the page in or out, as each change repaints the element and re-invokes the callback.)
Testing frameworks that utilize randomness for some purpose, and want to be able to use the same pseudo-random numbers on both local and CI, and to be able to reproduce a given interesting test run.
Games that use randomness and want to avoid “save-scumming”, where players save and repeatedly reload the game until an event comes out the way they want.
Currently, the only way to achieve these goals is to implement your own PRNG by hand in JS. Simple PRNGS like an LCG aren't hard to code, but they don't produce good pseudo-random numbers; better PRNGs are harder to implement correctly. It would be much better to provide the ability to manually seed a generator and get a predictable sequence out. While we're here, we can lean on JS features to provide a better usability than typical random libs provide for this use-case.
Math.seededPRNG({seed})
I propose to add a new method to the Math
object, provisionally named seededPRNG()
. It takes a single options-bag argument, with a required property seed
, whose value must be either a JS integer or BigInt. [And/or a TypedArray?]
seededPRNG()
is a generator function, and the iterator it returns will yield an infinite sequence of random values seeded by the provided seed
. These values must approximate a uniform distribution over the range [0,1], same as Math.random()
.
That is, the usage will be something like:
const [i,r] of enumerate(Math.seededPRNG({seed:0}))) {
do something with each value
(i >= limit) break;
The current state of the algorithm, suitable for feeding as the seed
of another invocation of seededPRNG()
that will produce identical numbers from that point forward, is accessible via a .seed()
method on the generator. [Should we guarantee what type it's returned as?]
The specification will also define a specific random-number generator for this purpose. [Which one?] This ensures two things:
The algorithm used is not, in this proposal, intended to be configurable.
Math.random()
argument?Another possible approach is to add an options object to Math.random()
, and define a seed
key that can be provided. When you do so, it uses that seed to generate the value, rather than its internal seed value. This approach should be familiar from C/Java/etc.
The downside of this is that you have manually pass the random value back to the generator on the next call as the next seed
, if you're trying to generate multiple values. That's fairly clunky when all you want is a predictable sequence of values, and means you have to carry around additional state if the random generation happens across functions or callbacks.
It also requires either that the produced value is suitable as a seed, which isn't always the case (for many algos, seeds can have 64+ bits), or requires Math.random()
, when invoked with a seed, to produce a {val, nextSeed}
pair, instead of just producing the value directly like normal.
I suspect it's rare to need a single seeded random value; most use-cases for this want a sequence of several values. As such, it's worthwhile to make that use-case easier, and JS's iterator protocol conveniently wraps all the state-management up for you and hides it.